Invision

by **chrisroberts** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:27 pm

yep i agree having made enquiries

the answer seems to be for the channel to go +s+k (secret and keyed) and use trusted servers ....if you have peeps serving copyrite stuff

pirates are going to have to go underground in the long term

not that we would ever serve anything illegal

chrisroberts
(for now) i can be found on IRC Novernet#mp3-zone

by **jiggie** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 1:40 pm

by any chance are these people using opt online as their isp...my friend got an 8 page letter and was capped. well they need to run firewalls...i serve =24/7 and nuthing, i see the hits and also disclaimer it helps a bit to make it display use it as the welcome file and the terms file for ur server....

by **PD^renegade** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 2:13 pm

by **Frukto** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:05 am

by **chrisroberts** » Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:36 pm

hi all and thanx for the interest shown..

as a temporary measure - I find the prog PEER GUARDIAN does help somewhat as it blocks some 70 million known anti-pirate/riaa type IPs accessing your files....

...then agen all it need is one worker to take his work home and we're still screwed..

By the way the 'culprit ISP' in question was NTL

Keep up the good work

chrisroberts

by **PD^renegade** » Sat Oct 04, 2003 4:23 am

by **Frukto** » Sat Oct 04, 2003 5:01 am

Well, not really.
You can hide your own host behind BNC - there is a matter with settings, because (of course) your IP must be resolved. But you must resolve only your local IP. My settings:

IRC/Connect/Local info:
- On connect always get: Local Host
- Lookup Method: Normal

In other case when trying to dcc chat or dcc send I always get:
* Unable to resolve local host

With settings as above attempting to dcc chat from bnc session (nick _BNC_) to normal session (nick Frukto):

Chat with Frukto
Waiting for acknowledgement...
DCC Chat connection established

DCC Chat session
Client: _BNC_ (192.168.0.77)
Time: Sat Oct 04 14:45:41 2003
Acknowledging chat request...
DCC Chat connection established

and:

—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— Resolved _BNC_ (shell.lomag.net) to 208.185.82.7

when real IP is 80.54.64.59.

DCC chat in opposite way (from Frukto to _BNC_) is also possible without problem. Also sending from _BNC_ to Frukto without problems:

[14:49:02] *_BNC_* DCC Send 1122.jpg (192.168.0.77)
[14:49:03] DCC Send of 1122.jpg to Frukto complete (00:00:01 6.17 KB/Sec)
[14:49:03] DCC Get of 1122.jpg from _BNC_ complete (00:00:01 6.17 KB/Sec)

And from Frukto to _BNC_:
[14:53:05] DCC Send of 1156.jpg to _BNC_ complete (00:00:01 15.5 KB/Sec)
[14:53:04] DCC Get of 1156.jpg from Frukto complete (00:00:01 15.5 KB/Sec)

As you can see only local IP is visible after dcc chat/send, not real IP - just BNC host. So it is possible to hide. At least I think so

by **PD^renegade** » Sat Oct 04, 2003 6:46 am

well while it would take a long time to explain to you the logistics of DCC peer-to-peer connections, and why your real IP is always known, I wont bother, if you feel "safe" using that method, go on and do it, you will get a letter eventually.

If you were to use two seperate PCs (not on the same LAN) you will see that your true IP(regardless of BNC connection) is know(to both connecting clients).

There is no way around this. It is the protocol the internet itself is built on. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but if you use DCC connections on two seperate PCs not on the same LAN(or any other local network for that matter) your true internet IP(local host) will be known.

Please do not confuse people. As you are confused yourself, there is a HUGE difference between a LAN and a WAN(internet).

If you really wish to test your method, go to irc.uicn.net and find me (renegade) and I will show you your real IP when we do a DCC chat/send, of course, be certain you are connected thru your BNC first so as to avoid any confusion.

Another litmus test for you to try (since you dont believe me) is to DCC connect to an OUTSIDE source, not on your LAN, thru IRC. Establish a DCC session, then disconnect from your BNC server(don't close mIRC), amazingly enough, you will find that you will still be able to chat/send whatever you like. How would that be possible if you were using the BNC IP for connectivity ?

by **Frukto** » Sat Oct 04, 2003 7:39 am

My mistake. Sorry. My reply was too fast, I should have tried it better.
Now I see where is the problem, thanx

by **chrisroberts** » Sat Oct 04, 2003 3:19 pm

ok after much thought...

wouldnt the easiest security way be to serve to +v and above only

shame this option aint avail yet in invision

can you guys sort this or do i have (as much as i love my invision) to change script?

chrisroberts

by **PD^renegade** » Sat Oct 04, 2003 5:30 pm

Invision

ISP problem

ISP problem

thanx

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